[11/17/2025 1:38 PM] Brock Hatfield:
https://bsky.app/profile/opensuse.org/post/3m5sunpu6i22e
[11/17/2025 1:42 PM] Austin Nunn: whats
no about it?
[11/17/2025 1:43 PM] Brock Hatfield: The increasing
enterprise environment-ness of desktops
[11/17/2025 1:44 PM] Brock Hatfield: Not even enterprise
desktop or workstation but actual server management type shit.
[11/17/2025 1:45 PM] Brock Hatfield: Who's that actually
for? Everyone I know who's tried just an atomic distro has bounced because it's
such a dick pain to install some software or easily configure it.
[11/17/2025 1:45 PM] Austin Nunn: Meh.
[11/17/2025 1:45 PM] Austin Nunn: No
[11/17/2025 1:45 PM] Austin Nunn: I still run an atomic
distro
[11/17/2025 1:45 PM] Austin Nunn: Fedora SilverBlue
is my go to
[11/17/2025 1:45 PM] Austin Nunn: Lucas is running one iirc
[11/17/2025 1:46 PM] Brock Hatfield: Thank goodness for
choice in Linux but the trend is still worrying since distros tend to chase
trends at least somewhat.
[11/17/2025 1:46 PM] Austin Nunn: You can still do anything
you want with one, you just have to do it differently
[11/17/2025 1:46 PM] Brock Hatfield: Differently and harder.
[11/17/2025 1:46 PM] Austin Nunn: if you want to install
non-store apps you have to add it to the base os
[11/17/2025 1:46 PM] Austin Nunn: It's not harder. It's
different.
[11/17/2025 1:47 PM] Austin Nunn: It's meant to be different
because it's more easy to break shit.
Install the app from the store. If it doesn't exist find a
new app.
[11/17/2025 1:47 PM] Austin Nunn: It's for newbies and
idiots
[11/17/2025 1:47 PM] Austin Nunn: And people who are done
tinkering and just want an os to work
[11/17/2025 1:47 PM] Brock Hatfield: LOL objectively no.
Simple config changes are often one file edit and one line change on a normal
distro. The same changes on atomic are infinitely more complicated and
difficult.
[11/17/2025 1:48 PM] Austin Nunn: I'll let you be wrong here
[11/17/2025 1:48 PM] Austin Nunn: :P
[11/17/2025 1:49 PM] Brock Hatfield: Do tell. What do I need
to do on atomic to change a protected etc file in a
way that sticks?
Sudo nano /etc/fstab
Edit line
Save
Now you go.
[11/17/2025 1:49 PM] Austin Nunn: Why do you need to change
those
[11/17/2025 1:50 PM] Austin Nunn: Also /etc
isn't immutable so you can change it same as always
[11/17/2025 1:51 PM] Brock Hatfield: Not in a way that
sticks. Next update nuked. Also I'm not sure that's
true. Might differ from distro.
[11/17/2025 1:51 PM] Brock Hatfield: Still waiting BTW.
[11/17/2025 1:51 PM] Austin Nunn: No. That's what mutable
means. Changes to /etc files persist through updates.
[11/17/2025 1:52 PM] Austin Nunn: The same way. As I said.
It's not immutable
[11/17/2025 1:52 PM] Brock Hatfield: I can definitively say etc gets nuked. Happened on Steam OS happened on Bazzite.
[11/17/2025 1:52 PM] Austin Nunn: Steam is special
[11/17/2025 1:53 PM] Austin Nunn: Idk what you've done on
bazzite but I've had a custom fstab for many updates
and its just worjed
[11/17/2025 1:53 PM] Austin Nunn: Worked
[11/17/2025 1:54 PM] Brock Hatfield: Even if my specific
example isn't universal you can take my point. The
process to make system changes is way more difficult. I've provided my proof.
Show me making base changes is just as easy but different.
[11/17/2025 1:54 PM] Austin Nunn: Your proof is wrong tho
[11/17/2025 1:54 PM] Austin Nunn: Because /etc persists through updates. By design
[11/17/2025 1:55 PM] Brock Hatfield: Again, even if not a
universal example you can take my meaning.
[11/17/2025 1:55 PM] Austin Nunn: /vsr
or /bin or whatever are immutable and replaced every update. /etc isn't touched
[11/17/2025 1:55 PM] Brock Hatfield: Right so show me how
it's so easy to change that.
[11/17/2025 1:55 PM] Austin Nunn: And you just have to use ostree to make changes to the base os.
And you can do it on a way that's immutable too.
[11/17/2025 1:55 PM] Brock Hatfield: I can sudo cp or whatever on a normal distro
[11/17/2025 1:56 PM] Brock Hatfield: Show me
[11/17/2025 1:56 PM] Austin Nunn: show you what
[11/17/2025 1:56 PM] Brock Hatfield: How easy but different
it is.
[11/17/2025 1:56 PM] Austin Nunn: to do what
[11/17/2025 1:56 PM] Brock Hatfield: That's what you
asserted
[11/17/2025 1:56 PM] Austin Nunn: give me a fucking example
that isn't fstab
[11/17/2025 1:57 PM] Brock Hatfield: You provided your own.
/bin. I can sudo cp whatever
I want in there.
[11/17/2025 1:57 PM] Austin Nunn: But why would you
[11/17/2025 1:57 PM] Brock Hatfield: It's that easy in OS
tree
[11/17/2025 1:57 PM] Austin Nunn: That's the point
[11/17/2025 1:57 PM] Brock Hatfield: Uh huh keep dodging.
[11/17/2025 1:57 PM] Austin Nunn: No, that's the point of
the OS
[11/17/2025 1:57 PM] Austin Nunn: To not touch those files.
[11/17/2025 1:58 PM] Brock Hatfield: It's not harder. It's
different.
[11/17/2025 1:58 PM] Brock Hatfield: Come on dude.
[11/17/2025 1:58 PM] Austin Nunn: its different in that you
don't do it
[11/17/2025 1:58 PM] Brock Hatfield: Okay we're done here. 😆
[11/17/2025 1:58 PM] Austin Nunn: Theres /usr/local/bin, which is mutable.
[11/17/2025 1:59 PM] Austin Nunn: you can also run rpm-ostree install (app) to change packages in /usr or /bin
[11/17/2025 1:59 PM] Austin Nunn: you can also just build your own ostree image if youre a psycho